We'll have to check out that doc. Do you find that having all of you as HSPs makes it easier because you understand where each other are coming from or are you sensitive to different things so it's difficult because between you all you're sensitive to everything.
That's a great question. I'm the "classic" sensitive- introverted, too much stimuli is exhausting, I like quiet and downtime, etc. I'm also highly empathic.
Husband and son are different-- they both have high dopamine needs, so they crave stimuli to an extent (ADHD- of which I've since understood is HSP at the core because they are wide-open and taking in so much data all the time.) For them, it's things like textile texture, being picky with food because of texture, overall comfort, how the lighting is-- that sort of thing. My son will only wear athletic material for example. Everything else is scratchy to him.
I am partnered with an HSP. I wanted to add one more bullet point to your list of traits.
- Like bringing a gentle deer into your living room, the high sensitive person with kill you with their hooves should you offer their senses too much, and too often the things listed above. Be especially wary of teh Sicilian variety when coming with bearing gifts of chaos. Beautiful are those hooves. So sharp.
I was just reading Emergence by Temple Grandin and found her exploration of how autism showed up for her. It can be really hard to know what “normal” in a world that is no longer suited toward the nervous system. I actually think people that do survive in hostile environments are abnormal in that they are pushing against what our organisms were created to do (move between rest and reactivity, be still and listen, find healthy community with support). The term neurodivergent gets thrown about in my estimation as a way to acknowledge people that have not assimilated or acclimated very well to what our mechanized world asks of us. Thank you for sharing and reflecting your movement through this terrain. A therapist asked me if I was a HSP given some of our discussion and I looked into it decided the label wasn’t going to help me at this point but it does account for my orientation in certain situations :). Cheers to labels that help us see things differently and for the greater challenge of loving ourselves how we are and being present in a world that may not acknowledge the gifts of our uniqueness.
Labels are definitely a complicated thing in this terrain. They can be helpful in situations where it removes blame or shame from certain behaviors, but can also be limiting because people accept it as "just the way it is" rather than addressing how out of whack the world is for our nervous systems. The Myth of Normal by Gabor Mate captures this better than I ever could.
^Love this. So much sickness is really not individual but symptoms in individuals of larger collective sicknesses or imbalanced ways of approaching life. We can acknowledge that we who are sensitive are, however it shows up for us, warriors FOR embodying/Transmitting and/or changing and/or creating new models that honor life in harmony.
Yeah, I suspect that we are all sensitive to some thing or another, whether it's simply a pet peeve or a much bigger physiological reaction. I think tuning into it and accommodating it as much as is possible probably helps us all live gentler, more attuned lives.
YES "I actually think people that do survive in hostile environments are abnormal in that they are pushing against what our organisms were created to do (move between rest and reactivity, be still and listen, find healthy community with support." It is both inspiring and insane and disturbing what some people can adapt to...and there is a difference between resilience and making yourself contorted in a soul-defying way.
Yeah, I have definitely been a person who can adapt to pretty stressful environments and really didn't even notice how my body responded to those environments until the last couple years. I am grateful that it didn't rear up in physical health problems. It's so common that it does.
beautiful : ). I am an HSP with 3 HSP sons. : ). Thanks so much for sharing your journey. Energy medicine {Donna Eden} and qi gong have been so supportive in tending to my biofield : ) as well as HERBS : ) and flower essences. I also discovered orgonite this past spring. Looking to add to the home and jewelry now : ). Blessings to you
Thank you! I have never worked with energy medicine, qi gong, or orgonite. Please tell me more about your experience. I do work with herbs and flower essences quite a bit, which ones have you found most helpful in this regard?
I also have been able to glean a lot about how unique each family member is from Human Design. I just use basic info from this philosophy. For example my design is very open. Which Allows a lot of awareness of what’s not me that I can be aware of. Then my energy centers that are more defined I can rely on as me n tune into.
That's so interesting, I just learned about Human Design this week. So far, the big message I have gotten from it and from a few other places this week too, is that you can't force things you have to let them come to you, which is the, ummm, total opposite of how I have operated in the world thus far
I use stinging nettles a lot. ❤️❤️❤️I sense that each person would need to intuit what is needed in any given season if life. I cycle herbs based on my intuition n cycle season.
Ooh, yeah, I have definitely tried that before I kept it in my locker at work. If it had impact for me, it was pretty subtle. But I love yarrow and this concept of an energetic barrier.
I love how you are learning to listen to that which you might have powered through before. imagine if all physicians started listening more as a result of being in the room with someone is doing it...they may pick it up energetically...catch it, as it were. Have you come across Veda Austin's work with water?
Oh man, could you imagine if embodiment or nervous system awareness was taught in medical school?!? I'm sort of laughing to myself because it seems absurd in the current world, but it actually seems super necessary to be able to sustainably care for others for the duration of a career.
Have you thought about starting a medical school? I have seen my hubby's employer bring in a few sort of random smatterings of self-care experts but in a gaslighting or check the box sort of way. If it were woven into the fabric...wowzer. Patient care scores would go up automatically because the patient would entrain and calm down in the presence of the more self-regulated physician/provider.
I think states, influenced by the physician lobby, strictly regulate the opening of new medical schools. The states care because operating them is bloody expensive, the doctors care because of supply and demand. I wonder if some health care organizations would be open to incorporating it for CME. I am skeptical that any health care organization actually cares more about patient satisfaction than profits. An embodied physician would eff with the bottom line big time. There would no longer be 15 minute appointment windows, people would take like actual breaks or respond to the feeling of overwhelm by changing their behavior. A friend and I were talking about how interesting it would be to bring an embodiment expert into the ER and see if there is actually a way to practice there that is embodied.
Hmmmm...I am confident you could do a CME as I have seen such CMEs offered. It could be a beginning, for sure. Everything is going to change fast, soon, I believe. The example I gave of my husband's employer cutting their comp med but then those souls teaming up to start their own thing. Similar such clusters I expect to keep forming, as the sense that this is a BIG year is wide awake in metapysical/integrativeconscious circles and the message of "stop fighting the old, be the new," is OUT THERE. I think the game is control, not even profit anymore, however, there is weirdly an obsession with patient satisfaction in my area because it is linked with profit, maybe? I'm not sure. But it is an obsession. Not patient health - yet, anyway. But patient satisfaction SCORES. Setting good boundaries (timewise) and being PRESENT are taught better in coaching communities than in medical training. Presence can get to the essence more efficiently because of intuition and laser. In the long term it WOULD save money (hubby and I have discussed many times) to give doctors more time for appointments (especially new patients or patients that have chronic issues) and training in root causes and how to understand health systemically (contextually, culturally, whole person, including soul/energy, as well as the whole body, as naturopaths are better trained to do) because you would in the end have so many fewer sick people if you did this up front, as long as it was truly holistic and not just more time to recommend faux preventative measures like excess preventative tests that aren't that evidence based or pointy things that are correlated with worse long term health outcomes and all cause mortality, in addition to their immediate potential issues and short term ones.mThe problem is within the current system its not really possible to apply that stuff in the way you or I or many others would want do to the system if the system itself only wanting to be extractive - only helping with breathwork or self-care or embodiment to get more out of physician. An individual physician CAN model it though, even in such constraints in ways that can spread out and have an influence. For example, years ago I planted seeds of salt lamps and plants at work A few years later hubby up and did it when I wasn't even thinking about it. Then a little after that a few other providers did too! Last Christmas I put together a grab box of stuff that included OM hot chocolate with mushrooms. The back listed some of the mushroom benefits that are research based! At Halloween he brought in crystals. They loved it! It was such a hit we're doing it again for Year of The Wood Dragon in Feb 10th! Most physicians I know are looking for a way out and lots are starting their own thing in one way or another. You are so not alone, even if you feel like it! <3
Oh, I really feel that extractive health care that's such a good way of putting it. I think a lot of my exploration right now is does the path forward involve medicine or not. Stay tuned... 😁
I'm definitely a HSP. Scratchy fabric, rooms of loud people, etc all bothered me immensely as a kid and sometimes still do. Our side of the family definitely contributed! 😊 I remember the angst of a tag on a shirt poking me, or the overwhelming scent of a perfume or odor that others barely noticed. I'm glad it has a name!
Yeah, it's interesting the adaptation demands we make on people rather than accommodating it so we can foster the gifts of it. The School lunchroom, for example, has to be an HSP nightmare.
Like I can already see after a few years in school how things that used to bother her don't anymore, and I wonder how much of that is the override that I talked about.
My son was so sensitive as a baby he would cry when I laughed. Now he composes the most beautiful, soulful songs.
I’m an HSP, married to HSP and son is HSP. It presents differently in all of us. The documentary “Sensitive “ is a great watch.
We'll have to check out that doc. Do you find that having all of you as HSPs makes it easier because you understand where each other are coming from or are you sensitive to different things so it's difficult because between you all you're sensitive to everything.
That's a great question. I'm the "classic" sensitive- introverted, too much stimuli is exhausting, I like quiet and downtime, etc. I'm also highly empathic.
Husband and son are different-- they both have high dopamine needs, so they crave stimuli to an extent (ADHD- of which I've since understood is HSP at the core because they are wide-open and taking in so much data all the time.) For them, it's things like textile texture, being picky with food because of texture, overall comfort, how the lighting is-- that sort of thing. My son will only wear athletic material for example. Everything else is scratchy to him.
I am partnered with an HSP. I wanted to add one more bullet point to your list of traits.
- Like bringing a gentle deer into your living room, the high sensitive person with kill you with their hooves should you offer their senses too much, and too often the things listed above. Be especially wary of teh Sicilian variety when coming with bearing gifts of chaos. Beautiful are those hooves. So sharp.
I was just reading Emergence by Temple Grandin and found her exploration of how autism showed up for her. It can be really hard to know what “normal” in a world that is no longer suited toward the nervous system. I actually think people that do survive in hostile environments are abnormal in that they are pushing against what our organisms were created to do (move between rest and reactivity, be still and listen, find healthy community with support). The term neurodivergent gets thrown about in my estimation as a way to acknowledge people that have not assimilated or acclimated very well to what our mechanized world asks of us. Thank you for sharing and reflecting your movement through this terrain. A therapist asked me if I was a HSP given some of our discussion and I looked into it decided the label wasn’t going to help me at this point but it does account for my orientation in certain situations :). Cheers to labels that help us see things differently and for the greater challenge of loving ourselves how we are and being present in a world that may not acknowledge the gifts of our uniqueness.
Labels are definitely a complicated thing in this terrain. They can be helpful in situations where it removes blame or shame from certain behaviors, but can also be limiting because people accept it as "just the way it is" rather than addressing how out of whack the world is for our nervous systems. The Myth of Normal by Gabor Mate captures this better than I ever could.
^Love this. So much sickness is really not individual but symptoms in individuals of larger collective sicknesses or imbalanced ways of approaching life. We can acknowledge that we who are sensitive are, however it shows up for us, warriors FOR embodying/Transmitting and/or changing and/or creating new models that honor life in harmony.
Yeah, I suspect that we are all sensitive to some thing or another, whether it's simply a pet peeve or a much bigger physiological reaction. I think tuning into it and accommodating it as much as is possible probably helps us all live gentler, more attuned lives.
YES "I actually think people that do survive in hostile environments are abnormal in that they are pushing against what our organisms were created to do (move between rest and reactivity, be still and listen, find healthy community with support." It is both inspiring and insane and disturbing what some people can adapt to...and there is a difference between resilience and making yourself contorted in a soul-defying way.
Yeah, I have definitely been a person who can adapt to pretty stressful environments and really didn't even notice how my body responded to those environments until the last couple years. I am grateful that it didn't rear up in physical health problems. It's so common that it does.
beautiful : ). I am an HSP with 3 HSP sons. : ). Thanks so much for sharing your journey. Energy medicine {Donna Eden} and qi gong have been so supportive in tending to my biofield : ) as well as HERBS : ) and flower essences. I also discovered orgonite this past spring. Looking to add to the home and jewelry now : ). Blessings to you
Thank you! I have never worked with energy medicine, qi gong, or orgonite. Please tell me more about your experience. I do work with herbs and flower essences quite a bit, which ones have you found most helpful in this regard?
Also love access consciousness with Dain Heer & Gary Douglas
Also def getting those bioavailable minerals in is soooooooo essential ❤️
I also have been able to glean a lot about how unique each family member is from Human Design. I just use basic info from this philosophy. For example my design is very open. Which Allows a lot of awareness of what’s not me that I can be aware of. Then my energy centers that are more defined I can rely on as me n tune into.
That's so interesting, I just learned about Human Design this week. So far, the big message I have gotten from it and from a few other places this week too, is that you can't force things you have to let them come to you, which is the, ummm, total opposite of how I have operated in the world thus far
I use stinging nettles a lot. ❤️❤️❤️I sense that each person would need to intuit what is needed in any given season if life. I cycle herbs based on my intuition n cycle season.
Definitely true regarding intuition or having a skilled healer to guide. t
Though for me,it seems like nettles are always good!
The yarrow environmental solution flower essence I like.
Ooh, yeah, I have definitely tried that before I kept it in my locker at work. If it had impact for me, it was pretty subtle. But I love yarrow and this concept of an energetic barrier.
I love how you are learning to listen to that which you might have powered through before. imagine if all physicians started listening more as a result of being in the room with someone is doing it...they may pick it up energetically...catch it, as it were. Have you come across Veda Austin's work with water?
Oh man, could you imagine if embodiment or nervous system awareness was taught in medical school?!? I'm sort of laughing to myself because it seems absurd in the current world, but it actually seems super necessary to be able to sustainably care for others for the duration of a career.
Have you thought about starting a medical school? I have seen my hubby's employer bring in a few sort of random smatterings of self-care experts but in a gaslighting or check the box sort of way. If it were woven into the fabric...wowzer. Patient care scores would go up automatically because the patient would entrain and calm down in the presence of the more self-regulated physician/provider.
I think states, influenced by the physician lobby, strictly regulate the opening of new medical schools. The states care because operating them is bloody expensive, the doctors care because of supply and demand. I wonder if some health care organizations would be open to incorporating it for CME. I am skeptical that any health care organization actually cares more about patient satisfaction than profits. An embodied physician would eff with the bottom line big time. There would no longer be 15 minute appointment windows, people would take like actual breaks or respond to the feeling of overwhelm by changing their behavior. A friend and I were talking about how interesting it would be to bring an embodiment expert into the ER and see if there is actually a way to practice there that is embodied.
Hmmmm...I am confident you could do a CME as I have seen such CMEs offered. It could be a beginning, for sure. Everything is going to change fast, soon, I believe. The example I gave of my husband's employer cutting their comp med but then those souls teaming up to start their own thing. Similar such clusters I expect to keep forming, as the sense that this is a BIG year is wide awake in metapysical/integrativeconscious circles and the message of "stop fighting the old, be the new," is OUT THERE. I think the game is control, not even profit anymore, however, there is weirdly an obsession with patient satisfaction in my area because it is linked with profit, maybe? I'm not sure. But it is an obsession. Not patient health - yet, anyway. But patient satisfaction SCORES. Setting good boundaries (timewise) and being PRESENT are taught better in coaching communities than in medical training. Presence can get to the essence more efficiently because of intuition and laser. In the long term it WOULD save money (hubby and I have discussed many times) to give doctors more time for appointments (especially new patients or patients that have chronic issues) and training in root causes and how to understand health systemically (contextually, culturally, whole person, including soul/energy, as well as the whole body, as naturopaths are better trained to do) because you would in the end have so many fewer sick people if you did this up front, as long as it was truly holistic and not just more time to recommend faux preventative measures like excess preventative tests that aren't that evidence based or pointy things that are correlated with worse long term health outcomes and all cause mortality, in addition to their immediate potential issues and short term ones.mThe problem is within the current system its not really possible to apply that stuff in the way you or I or many others would want do to the system if the system itself only wanting to be extractive - only helping with breathwork or self-care or embodiment to get more out of physician. An individual physician CAN model it though, even in such constraints in ways that can spread out and have an influence. For example, years ago I planted seeds of salt lamps and plants at work A few years later hubby up and did it when I wasn't even thinking about it. Then a little after that a few other providers did too! Last Christmas I put together a grab box of stuff that included OM hot chocolate with mushrooms. The back listed some of the mushroom benefits that are research based! At Halloween he brought in crystals. They loved it! It was such a hit we're doing it again for Year of The Wood Dragon in Feb 10th! Most physicians I know are looking for a way out and lots are starting their own thing in one way or another. You are so not alone, even if you feel like it! <3
Oh, I really feel that extractive health care that's such a good way of putting it. I think a lot of my exploration right now is does the path forward involve medicine or not. Stay tuned... 😁
Ack, extractive self care.
<3
I'm definitely a HSP. Scratchy fabric, rooms of loud people, etc all bothered me immensely as a kid and sometimes still do. Our side of the family definitely contributed! 😊 I remember the angst of a tag on a shirt poking me, or the overwhelming scent of a perfume or odor that others barely noticed. I'm glad it has a name!
Yeah, it's interesting the adaptation demands we make on people rather than accommodating it so we can foster the gifts of it. The School lunchroom, for example, has to be an HSP nightmare.
Like I can already see after a few years in school how things that used to bother her don't anymore, and I wonder how much of that is the override that I talked about.